May It Be As It Is by Karl Renz

Author:Karl Renz [Renz, Karl]
Language: eng
Format: epub
Tags: Historical Fiction
ISBN: 9788188071678
Publisher: Zen Publications
Published: 2011-11-08T21:00:00+00:00

THE GAME IS NEVER OVER

Q: You say we have not decided to get into this dream. What if we want to get out of the dream?

K: Because by the experience of going in no one went in, trying to get out is impossible. Because you never went in. There was never anybody in the movie, that’s the problem. The movie is just like a projection on the screen you are. And what you are never went into the movie, but now trying to get out of the movie is impossible. If there really would be somebody, there would be a way out.

Q: But we think we are in the movie.

K: It’s an imagination. But how can you get rid of that? Who needs to get rid of an imagination? Even that is trying to get out. To control an imagination. You just have to be what you are. The rest is total nonsense. Trying something or not.

Q: Yesterday you said that even self-inquiry is not leading to anything.

K: Yes, I am just repeating Nisargadatta or Ramana, they all said it.

Q: But as far as I read in the books, Ramana is advising everybody to do self-inquiry.

K: I would advise too.

Q: But if it doesn’t bring you closer to yourself, why do anything?

K: If you want to stop suffering, because that is in the dream, then self-inquiry maybe kills the sufferer. But you won’t become that what you are by that. So yes, if you want to end suffering, then self-inquiry can maybe end the suffering by ending the sufferer. Because in self-inquiry you just give your attention to that what is attention. There is no time anymore, there is no coming, no going, there is no past, no future, there is no place for a me, for a sufferer. So you may end suffering. Or the sufferer. But you cannot attain what you are. Yes, you can maybe end the suffering by self-inquiry. But by self-inquiry you can never attain what you are. So it’s still psychotherapy.

Q: But as far as I read, Ramana said you will attain your Self by doing self-inquiry. Did I misunderstand?

K: Sooner or later all ideas drop anyway. And in the meantime you can self-inquire and maybe there is not so much suffering. That’s all. But the idea of me came by itself and will be dropped by itself. It’s not because of something. But until then, as Ramesh said, the non-doership, the total understanding, is maybe ending the suffering. Then there is a kind of peace, and that you can do. But by that you cannot attain what you are. Because you cannot become what you are. So you can do something, but by that doing you will not become what you are. You can maybe make the dream a better dream.

Q: I am trying to figure out what you are telling us. I am what I am, that’s clear, but don’t see it.

K: You will never see it.

Q: So if I do nothing, then maybe nothing happens?

K: Yes, and that would be fine enough for what you are.

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